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Glenn Close says she is 'psychologically traumatized' after spending her childhood in a cult

by Iamallcool in

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https://people.com/movies/glenn-close-says-she-is-psychologically-traumatized-after-spending-her-childhood-in-cult/?did=637054-20210522&utm_campaign=people-news_newsletter&utm_source=people.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=052221&cid=637054&mid=58143391213 .

Bill Covert

I watched Henry Louis Gates show "Finding Your Roots" where they went into this aspect of her life. But there they put a positive spin on her being able to **** anything that would come along. And how loose charters in story lines appeal to her. That this was some how liberating.

A couple of years ago 2019 my son took me to met a woman [in her 30's] who leads a 'swinging life style' interested in information as to whether she could sue the Society for being molested by elder when in her early teens who liked to put his hand up her dress and feel her panties, even when she being on her period. This prior to change in Calif. State law on statute of limitations, so the only thing I could tell her was contact Zalkin. She hooks up with a attorney and travels to 'swinger parties'. She was so loose she even propositioned me. It is a terrible thing to see life's destroyed by emotional process where the escaping of repressive cult control results in unrestrained pursuit of excesses.

Several months later I outed the elder in one of my letters addressed to the homes of the church internal 'grape vine'. Have no idea as what effect it had as the shunning of this apostate is absolute.

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With a whimper, not a bang

by JeffT in

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the thread about old timers got me thinking about trends i see with the watchtower.

i've changed my opinion about where the organization stands.

when i joined the religion in 1973 it was dynamic, even the small congregation i attended sent out three or four pioneers.

Bill Covert

In 1979 the Watchtower admitted to their 1975 failure. That admission was a total of two sentences long in the back of a Wt. study article. Either 1980 or 81 Franz was in Reno Nev., so I set about to listen very, very hard to every word he said, and at the end he said absolutely, nothing! Yes he had energy, he worked the crowd but there was never a point or a concept to get across. But he had a magic word which was "hence". So he would orate then throw in the word 'hence' and the crowd erupted in applause.

That talk, 1975, the 1984 Wt. comment as to we would be preaching to son's and daughters of those "sighing and groaning" of Ezk.ch.9 and the 1984 start of the "obedience to the Organization mantra", was my personal eye opening.

It was also in Reno in 1982 and 1983 where we were told that there was no "new light" to be had . It was even stated that if we wanted "new light" then do personal study and locate some yourself. So getting back to Jeff's original point there has not been anything new as he knew during the early 1970's is absolutely right on. So using Fred's own word "hence" we have seen a concerted effort on the part of the GB to shut down minds, demand blind obedience as the closest the GB has to "new light" is David Splane's newest version on Matt.24:34.

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With a whimper, not a bang

by JeffT in

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the thread about old timers got me thinking about trends i see with the watchtower.

i've changed my opinion about where the organization stands.

when i joined the religion in 1973 it was dynamic, even the small congregation i attended sent out three or four pioneers.

Bill Covert

The difference was the "oracle", Fred Franz.

In 1973 was a period of greatest energy. The Viet Nam war the greatest pioneering motivator there ever was. In 1973 everyone was sitting on the edge of their seats awaiting the latest info as to 1975 through the official pipeline where Franz &Co. orally transmitted to D.O.'s and C.O.'s at NY and it was disseminated as inspired from God to the rank and file. Hence not much in writing about 1975.

Fred Franz was the man! There has not been anyone with a fertile mind to replace him.

It was 1984 when the Wt. made the statement that we would be preaching to the sons and daughters of those "sighing and groaning" of Ezk. ch9 when I knew Matt.24:34 was headed down the tube. That was also the beginning of the "obedience to the organization mantra". It wasn't until the church had to forgive the K.H. loans that I truly realized the organization came full circle and became what Rutherford said it was "a snare and a racket". The snare being the 'judicial system' having to be strengthened in order to met the emerging threat of the "apostate"! To where I need not comment where that has gone as to having complete control over life. The "racket" was the cash flow source being derived from construction loan interest, replacing income from literature sales.

So from 1984 on there was no "new light", the only thing new was "two day K.H.'s" and "obedience to the organization mantra".

Personally I think we will see great change when the court house doors are opened and "Anderson & Zalkin Co." rock the very foundations of mental bondage.

Change topic. Today I had something interesting happen as my truck mechanic service truck was parked at NAPA. A old man rolled down his window and asked about my name painted on the door. Said he knew a Tom Covert my dead brother, he gave me his name and I remembered him from circuit assembles in the early 1960's here in Northern Calif., he being from Eureka. The predictable small talk. I did give him my card with the Sept. 1 1987 Wt. article "A Time to Speak When?". He said he would read the article but was antsy about Googling my name that would of taken him to this web site. It would be interesting if his curiosity gets the best of him as it was a friend of his that moved to Redding who was the elder I gave a heart attack to over the article "A Time to Speak When?" that I wrote about in my introductory post.

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Hip Hip Hooray yyy

by smiddy3 in

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hi friends i`ve finally got an appointment to go to hospital tomorrow ,pre-admission for my hip replacement surgery.. so if you don`t hear from me ever again ,it means i`ve carked it .lol, should i even joke about that ?.

so its goodnight from me till who knows when ?.

Bill Covert

Prince died from pain killers because he needed new hips but the blood transfusion policy prevented the surgery.

What was that old line we were taught "know the truth and the truth will set you free". What do you think Prince would of paid to be in your shoes.

Heal well!

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Rotator Cuff Surgery: Anybody Have Experience?

by GrreatTeacher in

my husband is going in on tuesday to have surgery to repair a badly torn rotator cuff on his right shoulder.

he is right handed.. he's 51 and is great about exercising and staying in shape.

however, while doing push ups, his shoulder just snapped.

Bill Covert

Yes . three surgery. The third day after surgery I had to use a pulley to raise arm all the way above my head all the way straight up. The issue is scar tissue. If he stays in a sling and does not move his arm the scar tissue will freeze the shoulder! You need to get a second opinion. You can probably go on line and research scar tissue, rotator cuff surgery and immediate mobility.

The scar tissue is as painful as what he is enduring now. Depending on body type, mine grows scar tissue like a farm. I actually had someone manually go into the joint and rip the scar tissue in order to eliminate the pain.

Find a shoulder doctor.

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Zoog Mine Fire

by Bill Covert in

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the zoog fire is burning just outside of redding ca., 0% containment, 3 dead.

sounded like ww2 with air tanker traffic going over the house yesterday.

quite amazing the size of aircraft used; large jets, military air lift transport plus the prop jobs of cal fire.

Bill Covert

We Californians provide you with Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Brown, Kamala Harris, the Sierra Club. We are liberal, we provide you with the Kardashians. So go figure.

No the West Coast does not have the corner on the market on forest fire amid global warming as shown by what happened in Australia 6 months ago. California trees are some of the largest in the world in that it is coastal, moisture from ocean. Hence the state is able to grow large conifer trees closer to equator. So I think what we are experiencing is the gradual effects of global warming moving from equator toward the polar caps and California is just more ideal to track the movement.

On this issue fire is the forest friend, necessary for forest health. The Indians would set the forest on fire when moving to the valley's in the fall. The ranchers did the same thing as it produced new grass in the spring. The USFS policies during the 1920's mandated all fires be extinguished, they since learned that was a mistake we are still paying for..

It was this issue that made major headlines in Oregon a few years ago when a father son set Federal land on fire when they took cattle to winter pastures and got charged with arson. Which lead to "a peaceful protest" where the Bundy clan took over a Federal facility and a out of state rancher got shot by Oregon Highway Patrol. But Antifa wasn't formed to lead protest.

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Zoog Mine Fire

by Bill Covert in

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the zoog fire is burning just outside of redding ca., 0% containment, 3 dead.

sounded like ww2 with air tanker traffic going over the house yesterday.

quite amazing the size of aircraft used; large jets, military air lift transport plus the prop jobs of cal fire.

Bill Covert

FUBAR=Fucked Up Beyond all Recognition.

SNAFU= System Normal all Fucked Up

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Zoog Mine Fire

by Bill Covert in

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the zoog fire is burning just outside of redding ca., 0% containment, 3 dead.

sounded like ww2 with air tanker traffic going over the house yesterday.

quite amazing the size of aircraft used; large jets, military air lift transport plus the prop jobs of cal fire.

Bill Covert

The Zogg Fire is not out but has the possibility to connect to the August Complex and has the possibility to become a record breaker acreage wise. My wording on the post was a little misleading. The amazing part was the power of the fire column in the Manzanita and how hard the government attacked it. Realize that is all prefaced by the fire tornado of 2017.

what causes Northern California fires; climate change, hotter temps allow bark beetles to multiply, which kills trees, that is spreading.

The spotted owl fiasco, they thought logging disturbed the nesting so they shut down logging because the spotted owl was endangered. Since then they learned it is the Barred Owl [who is not endangered] kills spotted owls.

They deemed cattle grazing is bad for habitat.

environmentalist's use the courts to block logging.

All these things and others produce dead trees, brush, and forest floors to be clogged with massive amounts of fuel.

I am not a big Trump fan but in this one area his policies are probably the best. He attacks Governor Newsome for not managing the fire situation properly but then again it is Federal lands that are in the worst shape.

In short land management is administered by FUBAR, with SNAFU as under secretary.

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Zoog Mine Fire

by Bill Covert in

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the zoog fire is burning just outside of redding ca., 0% containment, 3 dead.

sounded like ww2 with air tanker traffic going over the house yesterday.

quite amazing the size of aircraft used; large jets, military air lift transport plus the prop jobs of cal fire.

Bill Covert

Yes, and they come to my part of California. I get to go to fire camps 2 or 3 times a year to work on equipment, in the 2008 lightning strikes I did a week in the Cal Fire shop. When you get to work in that environment you realize these are a special group of people.

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Zoog Mine Fire

by Bill Covert in

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the zoog fire is burning just outside of redding ca., 0% containment, 3 dead.

sounded like ww2 with air tanker traffic going over the house yesterday.

quite amazing the size of aircraft used; large jets, military air lift transport plus the prop jobs of cal fire.

Bill Covert

No the fire is not out, it has a possibility to merge with the August Fire complex. A little explanation due. There was a copper smelter in the Redding area, it was shut down after it usefulness toward WW1. The emissions killed all vegetation going south with the wind almost to Sacramento affecting the orchards. What grew in its place was the Manzanita [Spanish "little Apple] bush. A very resinous thick branched bush that burns very hot and intense. The 2017 Carr Fire became famous for its fire tornado, to where newspapers refer to it, as was the case earlier this summer with a LA fire. Most famous fire tornado was the bombing of Dresden in WW2.

To see a fire in concentrated Manzanita growth is to see a monster. The cloud produced is intensely hot, ugly, creates it own weather system which in turn creates a fire tornado. The USFS Fire Support Base where the air tankers load with fire retardant is 2 miles from my house. So i get to see air traffic to the fires. In 2017 the Carr Fire jumped the Sacramento River, took out a Redding neighborhood. So Tuesday there was a repeat of the fire headed to Redding through the Manzanita, the cloud was very ugly and intense. Yesterday that cloud was gone, amazing! The government bombed the hell out of that section of the fire. They could not allow another Carr Fire or Camp Fire[2018 wiped out the town Paradise] happen again.

I guess this is one of those posts to where a person would of had gone though the experience to appreciate just how powerful a response the government applied. One of those things where the government truly succeeded in its mission.

Actually I went to one of the August Fire command centers in the town of Hayfork last night to work on a fire engine from Arizona. I got home at midnight. Those camps are amazing. Those fire crews take a person back to a time when society wasn't obese.